he was an glesh immigrant to america. actually went to fran and played an important part in their revolution or in making the case for it to the ghesh speaking world and really made a case for believeing that reason could lead to progress. he was a great believer in the promise of the enlighten. . edward burke, an english statesman, a member of parliament made the case that you can't just start over from scratch. you can't expect pure reason, abstract reason to lead you to the good society. you have as to start from where yoir society puts you. you have to think about what change means in practice and social life. how to make it livable. how to take your society as it is and improve it rather than think you can do better from scratch. >> there are conservatives, though, people who identify themselves as conservatives today who may relate temperamentally more than payne and burke and be offended by the fact that burke like russell kirk, like william f. buckley said you take the world as you find it and you try to make it b